[Jewish] Re: Jewish Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3
Gideon Bass
gpb05 at hampshire.edu
Thu Jun 14 16:40:00 EDT 2007
That's a very good point. To that end, I encourage everyone to check out our
facebook group: http://hampshire.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2204332832
I've started two threads where the discussions we've been having here can be
continued. Anyone who wants to continue these discussions are strongly urged to
continue them on facebook. Anyone who wants to have other discussions about the
JSU, Jewish identity, etc. are also encouraged to post them in the facebook
group.
-Gideon
Quoting reg04 at hampshire.edu:
> I have been watching this conversation as it unfolds, and I would greatly
> like
> to participate -- however, I feel reticent to do so on a public email list.
> Is
> there any way we can move the discussion somewhere email boxes won't be
> bombarded, and a constructive conversation can be had?
> Message board ideas, anyone?
>
> -Rebecca G.
>
>
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> > 1. Re: "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the 'BIG LIE'
> > with the truth (Gideon Bass)
> > 2. Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an idea
> > for an event!! :) (snc06 at hampshire.edu)
> > 3. Re: Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an
> > idea for an event!! :) (Julian Padilla)
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:38 -0400
> > From: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Jewish] "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the
> > 'BIG LIE' with the truth
> > To: jp04 at hampshire.edu, jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> > Message-ID: <1181776598.46707ad64934d at webmail.hampshire.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > First of all right now I'm speaking in my capacity as signer and
> > list-administrator. As only one of three signers, my opinions are not
> > automatically those of the JSUs, so if my fellow signers signers (or anyone
> > else in the JSU) disagrees with anything I say here, I encourage you to
> > respond
> > so we can clarify JSU position on controversial issues like this. On to
> your
> > complaints:
> >
> > I agree with you that this email probably shouldn't have been passed along
> to
> > this list-serv. As list administrator, that's my bad, and I apologize. In
> > defense, I argue that I'm busy with lots of things besides administering
> the
> > list-serv, and the list-serv administrator interface makes it really hard
> to
> > tell what a given e-mail says, and generally if it looks like an email
> might
> > be
> > about something of interest to the Jewish community at Hampshire I forward
> it
> > along. I'm mostly just happy it's not another email offering us penis
> > enlargement medicine. I mean come on, I know the stereotype about Jewish
> men,
> > but still? :-)
> >
> > However, just to clarify to the JSU, I do not feel that the JSU needs to
> > stringently avoid any mention of Israel. As a non-political group, we take
> no
> > official stance on the issue. However, we are here to service the Jewish
> > community, and as that community tends to be intimately tied up with
> Israel,
> > things concerning Israel concern the JSU. Therefore, I will continue to
> > forward
> > emails about things that I think are Israel related that aren't purely
> > espousing
> > one side (or the other's) political views. In the future, I will try and
> > avoid
> > emails like the one you complained about, but I am not in favor the JSU
> > avoiding Israel like being Jewish has nothing to do with Israel. I am also
> > not
> > promising that emails like the one below won't slip past me from time to
> > time,
> > although I'll do my best.
> >
> > A Jew who disagrees with you about Israel, but never on the need for
> Justice,
> > -Gideon Bass
> >
> > PS: I'd be interested in having some discussions concerning your views on
> > Israel, but this list isn't exactly the place to have them. If your
> > interested,
> > email me back privately.
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>:
> >
> > > this is the jewish student mail list
> > > not the zionist list, send this to SAFI and whatnot
> > > as for the film, if europe is anti-semitic than colonize germany and
> > > create a safe space for jews through-out the continent
> > > what is the logic of displacing, murdering, and exploiting other
> > > semites, namely muslim ones, b/c white gentiles suck?
> > > another jew for justice - in palestine and the world over,
> > > julian padilla
> > >
> > > On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Rabbi Aron Hier, Director, Campus
> > > Outreach-SWC wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > “ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?”
> > > > - FIGHT THE ‘BIG LIE’ WITH THE TRUTH
> > > >
> > > > “Israel is an Apartheid State”. “Israeli practices
are equal
> > > > with, if not more brutal than, those practiced by occupying Nazi
> > > > soldiers during the Second World War.” These are some of the
> > > > demonizing ‘Big Lies’ that have penetrated University and College
> > > > campuses across North America where Jewish students are under
> > > > attack for their support of the Jewish State.
> > > >
> > > > At the University of California, Irvine, the Wiesenthal Center
> > > > protested the Muslim Student Union's 'blood-smeared' Israeli flag
> > > > and so-called apartheid wall, (photo below).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the UK, thousands joined our campaign demanding the rescinding
> > > > of a vote by the University and College Union to boycott all
> > > > Israeli academics and institutions.
> > > >
> > > > And, when Former President Jimmy Carter brought his anti-Israel
> > > > campaign to the University of California, Berkeley last month, our
> > > > Campus Advocates, the Wiesenthal Center’s student activists,
> > > > distributed copies of our new brochure (photo below),Palestine:
> > > > Peace Not Apartheid – Major Fabrications and Distortions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But that is not enough. We must stand with our Jewish students on
> > > > campus and give them the tools to continue to fight back against
> > > > the lies -- with the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Help us come to a Campus in your area, at our expense, to screen
> > > > our cutting-edge documentary, Ever Again, that examines today’s
> > > > resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
> > > > Europe and all of Western civilization.
> > > >
> > > > Ever Again
> > > >
> > > > Narrated by
> > > > Kevin Costner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ever Again is a Moriah Films production that examines the
> > > > resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
> > > > Europe and all of Western civilization.
> > > >
> > > > Narrated by Academy AwardTM actor/director Kevin Costner, Ever
> > > > Again, exposes the dangerous Islamic extremism and culture of death
> > > > being preached from the mosques of Europe's major cities.
> > > >
> > > > Rabbi Aron Hier, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Campus
> > > > Outreach ( campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net ) is available to come to
> > > > your University or College campus and lead a dialogue with the
> > > > campus community after the screening of this provocative movie.
> > > >
> > > > This is the film that Muslim extremists don’t want you to see
> > > > Click here to arrange for this FREE program on your campus...
> > > >
> > > > Let’s work together to help our students. Contact us today so that
> > > > we can book this free program for this coming Fall.
> > > >
> > > > THIS IS THE FILM THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO SEE.
> > > >
> > > > For more information contact Rabbi Aron Hier at:
> > > > campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net or 310.772.2478
> > > >
> > > > To prevent mailbox filters from deleting mailings from Simon
> > > > Wiesenthal Center, please add: enewsletter at wiesenthal.net to your
> > > > address book.
> > > >
> > > > Simon Wiesenthal Center • 1399 South Roxbury Drive Los Angeles,
> > > > CA 90035
> > > > 310.772.2478
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Remove yourself from this mailing.
> > > >
> > > > Remove yourself from all mailings from Simon Wiesenthal Center.
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:52:59 -0400
> > From: snc06 at hampshire.edu
> > Subject: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with
> > an idea for an event!! :)
> > To: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> > Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> > Message-ID: <1181789579.4670ad8b58e52 at webmail.hampshire.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
> > As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
> > However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military does.
> > Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know that the
> > Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had blood
> > smeared
> > the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being annoyed
> > with
> > the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I am a bad
> > person for being Jewish.
> >
> > On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union should take
> > part
> > in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we did not
> > have
> > many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the "Students For
> > Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party would be
> a
> > cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace talking
> > about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But the SJP
> > told
> > me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would only cause
> > tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these
> interfaith
> > and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards achieving peace,
> > even
> > if it is at a small scale level!!!
> > I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with the Jewish
> > student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all of the
> > Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in working
> on
> > me with this ?!
> >
> > Please let me know what you think.
> > Sincerely,
> > Stephanie Chase
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:42:45 -0400
> > From: Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along
> > with an idea for an event!! :)
> > To: snc06 at hampshire.edu
> > Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu, Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> > Message-ID: <48C7821D-B250-42C9-B91D-CAD024CA13F2 at hampshire.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >
> > 1) does anyone actually ever buy the penis enlargement advertised in
> > email? i hope not
> > 2) i question any neutrality of oppression that attempts to provide
> > "both sides". injustice is not a side, it is a cop out
> > 3) jews are as linked to israel as is the christian fundamentalist
> > american conservatives, but if you start emailing us about their
> > events and views i will get off this list
> > 2) the occupation is not "annoying" it is never-ending, horrific
> > terrorism inflicted on a displaced and impoverished population of
> > color whose land and resources are exploited for mostly white people
> > in the name of god and a badly analyzed history
> > 3) just as not all jews are zionists, not all protests of israel are
> > anti-semitic, aka meant to make you feel like a "bad person for being
> > jewish" (and i imagine the curfews, destruction of houses, massacre
> > of children and adults, etc that the government of israel
> > (democratically elected, as i understand it) conducts makes muslims
> > feel bad too)
> > 4) which leads me to my next point: an interfaith event between jews
> > and muslims has nothing to do with say a political event between
> > zionists and non-zionists
> > 5) i am not opposed to dialogue but... well why repeat myself. please
> > just refer to point 2.
> > love
> > j
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:52 PM, snc06 at hampshire.edu wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
> > > As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
> > > However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military
> > > does.
> > > Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know
> > > that the
> > > Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had
> > > blood smeared
> > > the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being
> > > annoyed with
> > > the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I
> > > am a bad
> > > person for being Jewish.
> > >
> > > On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union
> > > should take part
> > > in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we
> > > did not have
> > > many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the
> > > "Students For
> > > Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party
> > > would be a
> > > cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace
> > > talking
> > > about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But
> > > the SJP told
> > > me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would only
> > > cause
> > > tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these
> > > interfaith
> > > and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards achieving
> > > peace, even
> > > if it is at a small scale level!!!
> > > I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with the
> > > Jewish
> > > student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all
> > > of the
> > > Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in
> > > working on
> > > me with this ?!
> > >
> > > Please let me know what you think.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Stephanie Chase
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Jewish mailing list
> > > Jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> > > http://lists.hampshire.edu/mailman/listinfo/jewish
> >
> >
> >
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