[Jewish] Re: Jewish Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3
reg04 at hampshire.edu
reg04 at hampshire.edu
Thu Jun 14 14:29:58 EDT 2007
I have been watching this conversation as it unfolds, and I would greatly like
to participate -- however, I feel reticent to do so on a public email list. Is
there any way we can move the discussion somewhere email boxes won't be
bombarded, and a constructive conversation can be had?
Message board ideas, anyone?
-Rebecca G.
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> 1. Re: "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the 'BIG LIE'
> with the truth (Gideon Bass)
> 2. Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an idea
> for an event!! :) (snc06 at hampshire.edu)
> 3. Re: Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an
> idea for an event!! :) (Julian Padilla)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:38 -0400
> From: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Jewish] "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the
> 'BIG LIE' with the truth
> To: jp04 at hampshire.edu, jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> Message-ID: <1181776598.46707ad64934d at webmail.hampshire.edu>
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> First of all right now I'm speaking in my capacity as signer and
> list-administrator. As only one of three signers, my opinions are not
> automatically those of the JSUs, so if my fellow signers signers (or anyone
> else in the JSU) disagrees with anything I say here, I encourage you to
> respond
> so we can clarify JSU position on controversial issues like this. On to your
> complaints:
>
> I agree with you that this email probably shouldn't have been passed along to
> this list-serv. As list administrator, that's my bad, and I apologize. In
> defense, I argue that I'm busy with lots of things besides administering the
> list-serv, and the list-serv administrator interface makes it really hard to
> tell what a given e-mail says, and generally if it looks like an email might
> be
> about something of interest to the Jewish community at Hampshire I forward it
> along. I'm mostly just happy it's not another email offering us penis
> enlargement medicine. I mean come on, I know the stereotype about Jewish men,
> but still? :-)
>
> However, just to clarify to the JSU, I do not feel that the JSU needs to
> stringently avoid any mention of Israel. As a non-political group, we take no
> official stance on the issue. However, we are here to service the Jewish
> community, and as that community tends to be intimately tied up with Israel,
> things concerning Israel concern the JSU. Therefore, I will continue to
> forward
> emails about things that I think are Israel related that aren't purely
> espousing
> one side (or the other's) political views. In the future, I will try and
> avoid
> emails like the one you complained about, but I am not in favor the JSU
> avoiding Israel like being Jewish has nothing to do with Israel. I am also
> not
> promising that emails like the one below won't slip past me from time to
> time,
> although I'll do my best.
>
> A Jew who disagrees with you about Israel, but never on the need for Justice,
> -Gideon Bass
>
> PS: I'd be interested in having some discussions concerning your views on
> Israel, but this list isn't exactly the place to have them. If your
> interested,
> email me back privately.
>
>
>
> Quoting Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>:
>
> > this is the jewish student mail list
> > not the zionist list, send this to SAFI and whatnot
> > as for the film, if europe is anti-semitic than colonize germany and
> > create a safe space for jews through-out the continent
> > what is the logic of displacing, murdering, and exploiting other
> > semites, namely muslim ones, b/c white gentiles suck?
> > another jew for justice - in palestine and the world over,
> > julian padilla
> >
> > On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Rabbi Aron Hier, Director, Campus
> > Outreach-SWC wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > “ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?”
> > > - FIGHT THE ‘BIG LIE’ WITH THE TRUTH
> > >
> > > “Israel is an Apartheid State”. “Israeli practices
are equal
> > > with, if not more brutal than, those practiced by occupying Nazi
> > > soldiers during the Second World War.” These are some of the
> > > demonizing ‘Big Lies’ that have penetrated University and College
> > > campuses across North America where Jewish students are under
> > > attack for their support of the Jewish State.
> > >
> > > At the University of California, Irvine, the Wiesenthal Center
> > > protested the Muslim Student Union's 'blood-smeared' Israeli flag
> > > and so-called apartheid wall, (photo below).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In the UK, thousands joined our campaign demanding the rescinding
> > > of a vote by the University and College Union to boycott all
> > > Israeli academics and institutions.
> > >
> > > And, when Former President Jimmy Carter brought his anti-Israel
> > > campaign to the University of California, Berkeley last month, our
> > > Campus Advocates, the Wiesenthal Center’s student activists,
> > > distributed copies of our new brochure (photo below),Palestine:
> > > Peace Not Apartheid – Major Fabrications and Distortions
> > >
> > >
> > > But that is not enough. We must stand with our Jewish students on
> > > campus and give them the tools to continue to fight back against
> > > the lies -- with the truth.
> > >
> > > Help us come to a Campus in your area, at our expense, to screen
> > > our cutting-edge documentary, Ever Again, that examines today’s
> > > resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
> > > Europe and all of Western civilization.
> > >
> > > Ever Again
> > >
> > > Narrated by
> > > Kevin Costner
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ever Again is a Moriah Films production that examines the
> > > resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
> > > Europe and all of Western civilization.
> > >
> > > Narrated by Academy AwardTM actor/director Kevin Costner, Ever
> > > Again, exposes the dangerous Islamic extremism and culture of death
> > > being preached from the mosques of Europe's major cities.
> > >
> > > Rabbi Aron Hier, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Campus
> > > Outreach ( campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net ) is available to come to
> > > your University or College campus and lead a dialogue with the
> > > campus community after the screening of this provocative movie.
> > >
> > > This is the film that Muslim extremists don’t want you to see
> > > Click here to arrange for this FREE program on your campus...
> > >
> > > Let’s work together to help our students. Contact us today so that
> > > we can book this free program for this coming Fall.
> > >
> > > THIS IS THE FILM THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO SEE.
> > >
> > > For more information contact Rabbi Aron Hier at:
> > > campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net or 310.772.2478
> > >
> > > To prevent mailbox filters from deleting mailings from Simon
> > > Wiesenthal Center, please add: enewsletter at wiesenthal.net to your
> > > address book.
> > >
> > > Simon Wiesenthal Center • 1399 South Roxbury Drive Los Angeles,
> > > CA 90035
> > > 310.772.2478
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Remove yourself from this mailing.
> > >
> > > Remove yourself from all mailings from Simon Wiesenthal Center.
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:52:59 -0400
> From: snc06 at hampshire.edu
> Subject: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with
> an idea for an event!! :)
> To: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> Message-ID: <1181789579.4670ad8b58e52 at webmail.hampshire.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
>
> Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
> As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
> However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military does.
> Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know that the
> Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had blood
> smeared
> the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being annoyed
> with
> the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I am a bad
> person for being Jewish.
>
> On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union should take
> part
> in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we did not
> have
> many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the "Students For
> Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party would be a
> cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace talking
> about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But the SJP
> told
> me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would only cause
> tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these interfaith
> and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards achieving peace,
> even
> if it is at a small scale level!!!
> I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with the Jewish
> student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all of the
> Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in working on
> me with this ?!
>
> Please let me know what you think.
> Sincerely,
> Stephanie Chase
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:42:45 -0400
> From: Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along
> with an idea for an event!! :)
> To: snc06 at hampshire.edu
> Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu, Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
> Message-ID: <48C7821D-B250-42C9-B91D-CAD024CA13F2 at hampshire.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> 1) does anyone actually ever buy the penis enlargement advertised in
> email? i hope not
> 2) i question any neutrality of oppression that attempts to provide
> "both sides". injustice is not a side, it is a cop out
> 3) jews are as linked to israel as is the christian fundamentalist
> american conservatives, but if you start emailing us about their
> events and views i will get off this list
> 2) the occupation is not "annoying" it is never-ending, horrific
> terrorism inflicted on a displaced and impoverished population of
> color whose land and resources are exploited for mostly white people
> in the name of god and a badly analyzed history
> 3) just as not all jews are zionists, not all protests of israel are
> anti-semitic, aka meant to make you feel like a "bad person for being
> jewish" (and i imagine the curfews, destruction of houses, massacre
> of children and adults, etc that the government of israel
> (democratically elected, as i understand it) conducts makes muslims
> feel bad too)
> 4) which leads me to my next point: an interfaith event between jews
> and muslims has nothing to do with say a political event between
> zionists and non-zionists
> 5) i am not opposed to dialogue but... well why repeat myself. please
> just refer to point 2.
> love
> j
>
> On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:52 PM, snc06 at hampshire.edu wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
> > As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
> > However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military
> > does.
> > Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know
> > that the
> > Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had
> > blood smeared
> > the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being
> > annoyed with
> > the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I
> > am a bad
> > person for being Jewish.
> >
> > On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union
> > should take part
> > in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we
> > did not have
> > many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the
> > "Students For
> > Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party
> > would be a
> > cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace
> > talking
> > about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But
> > the SJP told
> > me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would only
> > cause
> > tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these
> > interfaith
> > and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards achieving
> > peace, even
> > if it is at a small scale level!!!
> > I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with the
> > Jewish
> > student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all
> > of the
> > Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in
> > working on
> > me with this ?!
> >
> > Please let me know what you think.
> > Sincerely,
> > Stephanie Chase
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Jewish mailing list
> > Jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
> > http://lists.hampshire.edu/mailman/listinfo/jewish
>
>
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