[Jewish] Re: Jewish Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3
Noah Beit-Aharon
nsb05 at hampshire.edu
Tue Jun 19 11:20:31 EDT 2007
I volunteer the SAFI listserv for this discussion, at
safi at lists.hampshire.edu, for which I am the administrator. It may
take me a little while to pass the emails on, since I am going to be
working, but I will do my best.
Noah
On Jun 14, 2007, at 2:29 PM, reg04 at hampshire.edu wrote:
> I have been watching this conversation as it unfolds, and I would
> greatly like
> to participate -- however, I feel reticent to do so on a public
> email list. Is
> there any way we can move the discussion somewhere email boxes
> won't be
> bombarded, and a constructive conversation can be had?
> Message board ideas, anyone?
>
> -Rebecca G.
>
>
> Quoting jewish-request at lists.hampshire.edu:
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the 'BIG LIE'
>> with the truth (Gideon Bass)
>> 2. Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an idea
>> for an event!! :) (snc06 at hampshire.edu)
>> 3. Re: Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along with an
>> idea for an event!! :) (Julian Padilla)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:38 -0400
>> From: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Jewish] "ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?"** - Fight the
>> 'BIG LIE' with the truth
>> To: jp04 at hampshire.edu, jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
>> Message-ID: <1181776598.46707ad64934d at webmail.hampshire.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> First of all right now I'm speaking in my capacity as signer and
>> list-administrator. As only one of three signers, my opinions are not
>> automatically those of the JSUs, so if my fellow signers signers
>> (or anyone
>> else in the JSU) disagrees with anything I say here, I encourage
>> you to
>> respond
>> so we can clarify JSU position on controversial issues like this.
>> On to your
>> complaints:
>>
>> I agree with you that this email probably shouldn't have been
>> passed along to
>> this list-serv. As list administrator, that's my bad, and I
>> apologize. In
>> defense, I argue that I'm busy with lots of things besides
>> administering the
>> list-serv, and the list-serv administrator interface makes it
>> really hard to
>> tell what a given e-mail says, and generally if it looks like an
>> email might
>> be
>> about something of interest to the Jewish community at Hampshire I
>> forward it
>> along. I'm mostly just happy it's not another email offering us penis
>> enlargement medicine. I mean come on, I know the stereotype about
>> Jewish men,
>> but still? :-)
>>
>> However, just to clarify to the JSU, I do not feel that the JSU
>> needs to
>> stringently avoid any mention of Israel. As a non-political group,
>> we take no
>> official stance on the issue. However, we are here to service the
>> Jewish
>> community, and as that community tends to be intimately tied up
>> with Israel,
>> things concerning Israel concern the JSU. Therefore, I will
>> continue to
>> forward
>> emails about things that I think are Israel related that aren't
>> purely
>> espousing
>> one side (or the other's) political views. In the future, I will
>> try and
>> avoid
>> emails like the one you complained about, but I am not in favor
>> the JSU
>> avoiding Israel like being Jewish has nothing to do with Israel. I
>> am also
>> not
>> promising that emails like the one below won't slip past me from
>> time to
>> time,
>> although I'll do my best.
>>
>> A Jew who disagrees with you about Israel, but never on the need
>> for Justice,
>> -Gideon Bass
>>
>> PS: I'd be interested in having some discussions concerning your
>> views on
>> Israel, but this list isn't exactly the place to have them. If your
>> interested,
>> email me back privately.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>:
>>
>>> this is the jewish student mail list
>>> not the zionist list, send this to SAFI and whatnot
>>> as for the film, if europe is anti-semitic than colonize germany and
>>> create a safe space for jews through-out the continent
>>> what is the logic of displacing, murdering, and exploiting other
>>> semites, namely muslim ones, b/c white gentiles suck?
>>> another jew for justice - in palestine and the world over,
>>> julian padilla
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Rabbi Aron Hier, Director, Campus
>>> Outreach-SWC wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?”
>>>> - FIGHT THE ‘BIG LIE’ WITH THE TRUTH
>>>>
>>>> “Israel is an Apartheid State”. “Israeli practices… are equal
>>>> with, if not more brutal than, those practiced by occupying Nazi
>>>> soldiers during the Second World War.” These are some of the
>>>> demonizing ‘Big Lies’ that have penetrated University and College
>>>> campuses across North America where Jewish students are under
>>>> attack for their support of the Jewish State.
>>>>
>>>> At the University of California, Irvine, the Wiesenthal Center
>>>> protested the Muslim Student Union's 'blood-smeared' Israeli flag
>>>> and so-called apartheid wall, (photo below).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the UK, thousands joined our campaign demanding the rescinding
>>>> of a vote by the University and College Union to boycott all
>>>> Israeli academics and institutions.
>>>>
>>>> And, when Former President Jimmy Carter brought his anti-Israel
>>>> campaign to the University of California, Berkeley last month, our
>>>> Campus Advocates, the Wiesenthal Center’s student activists,
>>>> distributed copies of our new brochure (photo below),Palestine:
>>>> Peace Not Apartheid – Major Fabrications and Distortions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But that is not enough. We must stand with our Jewish students on
>>>> campus and give them the tools to continue to fight back against
>>>> the lies -- with the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Help us come to a Campus in your area, at our expense, to screen
>>>> our cutting-edge documentary, Ever Again, that examines today’s
>>>> resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
>>>> Europe and all of Western civilization.
>>>>
>>>> Ever Again
>>>>
>>>> Narrated by
>>>> Kevin Costner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ever Again is a Moriah Films production that examines the
>>>> resurgence of violent antisemitism and terrorism that threatens
>>>> Europe and all of Western civilization.
>>>>
>>>> Narrated by Academy AwardTM actor/director Kevin Costner, Ever
>>>> Again, exposes the dangerous Islamic extremism and culture of death
>>>> being preached from the mosques of Europe's major cities.
>>>>
>>>> Rabbi Aron Hier, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Campus
>>>> Outreach ( campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net ) is available to come to
>>>> your University or College campus and lead a dialogue with the
>>>> campus community after the screening of this provocative movie.
>>>>
>>>> This is the film that Muslim extremists don’t want you to see
>>>> Click here to arrange for this FREE program on your campus...
>>>>
>>>> Let’s work together to help our students. Contact us today so that
>>>> we can book this free program for this coming Fall.
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS THE FILM THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO SEE.
>>>>
>>>> For more information contact Rabbi Aron Hier at:
>>>> campusoutreach at wiesenthal.net or 310.772.2478
>>>>
>>>> To prevent mailbox filters from deleting mailings from Simon
>>>> Wiesenthal Center, please add: enewsletter at wiesenthal.net to your
>>>> address book.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Wiesenthal Center • 1399 South Roxbury Drive Los Angeles,
>>>> CA 90035
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:52:59 -0400
>> From: snc06 at hampshire.edu
>> Subject: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along
>> with
>> an idea for an event!! :)
>> To: Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
>> Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
>> Message-ID: <1181789579.4670ad8b58e52 at webmail.hampshire.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
>> As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
>> However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military
>> does.
>> Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know
>> that the
>> Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had
>> blood
>> smeared
>> the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being
>> annoyed
>> with
>> the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I
>> am a bad
>> person for being Jewish.
>>
>> On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union
>> should take
>> part
>> in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we
>> did not
>> have
>> many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the
>> "Students For
>> Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party
>> would be a
>> cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace
>> talking
>> about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But
>> the SJP
>> told
>> me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would
>> only cause
>> tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these
>> interfaith
>> and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards
>> achieving peace,
>> even
>> if it is at a small scale level!!!
>> I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with
>> the Jewish
>> student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all
>> of the
>> Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in
>> working on
>> me with this ?!
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>> Sincerely,
>> Stephanie Chase
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:42:45 -0400
>> From: Julian Padilla <jp04 at hampshire.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Jewish] Response to Israel as an Apartheid State, along
>> with an idea for an event!! :)
>> To: snc06 at hampshire.edu
>> Cc: jewish at lists.hampshire.edu, Gideon Bass <gpb05 at hampshire.edu>
>> Message-ID: <48C7821D-B250-42C9-B91D-CAD024CA13F2 at hampshire.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> 1) does anyone actually ever buy the penis enlargement advertised in
>> email? i hope not
>> 2) i question any neutrality of oppression that attempts to provide
>> "both sides". injustice is not a side, it is a cop out
>> 3) jews are as linked to israel as is the christian fundamentalist
>> american conservatives, but if you start emailing us about their
>> events and views i will get off this list
>> 2) the occupation is not "annoying" it is never-ending, horrific
>> terrorism inflicted on a displaced and impoverished population of
>> color whose land and resources are exploited for mostly white people
>> in the name of god and a badly analyzed history
>> 3) just as not all jews are zionists, not all protests of israel are
>> anti-semitic, aka meant to make you feel like a "bad person for being
>> jewish" (and i imagine the curfews, destruction of houses, massacre
>> of children and adults, etc that the government of israel
>> (democratically elected, as i understand it) conducts makes muslims
>> feel bad too)
>> 4) which leads me to my next point: an interfaith event between jews
>> and muslims has nothing to do with say a political event between
>> zionists and non-zionists
>> 5) i am not opposed to dialogue but... well why repeat myself. please
>> just refer to point 2.
>> love
>> j
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:52 PM, snc06 at hampshire.edu wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Hampshire College Jewsih Student Union,
>>> As a Jew myself, I am very connected to Israel.
>>> However, I don't agree with everything that Israeli military
>>> does.
>>> Yet after reading this e-mail, it really upset me to know
>>> that the
>>> Muslim student union at the University of California, Irvine, had
>>> blood smeared
>>> the Israeli flag. I understand where they are comming from being
>>> annoyed with
>>> the occupation, but at the same time it gives me the sense that I
>>> am a bad
>>> person for being Jewish.
>>>
>>> On that note, I really think that the Jewish student Union
>>> should take part
>>> in more interfaith dialogues. It really dissapointed me that we
>>> did not have
>>> many this year. I suggested a cultural exchange night to the
>>> "Students For
>>> Justice in Palestine" (SJP) here at Hampshire, in which the party
>>> would be a
>>> cultural exchange of both Jews and Muslims, and work towards peace
>>> talking
>>> about the situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. But
>>> the SJP told
>>> me that they did not like this idea, claiming that this would only
>>> cause
>>> tension, fights, arguements. etc. But I feel that by having these
>>> interfaith
>>> and intercultural events, they contribute greatly towards achieving
>>> peace, even
>>> if it is at a small scale level!!!
>>> I am really interested in starting an interfaith event with the
>>> Jewish
>>> student Union--maybe we could make it a 5 college event, bring all
>>> of the
>>> Jewish and Muslim groups together!!! Would anyone be interested in
>>> working on
>>> me with this ?!
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Stephanie Chase
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Jewish mailing list
>>> Jewish at lists.hampshire.edu
>>> http://lists.hampshire.edu/mailman/listinfo/jewish
>>
>>
>>
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