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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Palatino"
size="-1">Inside-Out and Upside-Down<br>
An Interview with Anne Braden<br>
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By June Rostan, ColorLines RaceWire<br>
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Anne Braden, long-time activist and civil rights
leader, died on March 6 at a hospital in Louisville, Ky. She was taken
there over the weekend suffering from pneumonia. She was
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Anne entered the civil rights struggle in 1954. At
the time, black couples couldn't buy homes in segregated neighborhoods
so Andrew and Charlotte Wade asked a white couple, Anne and Carl
Braden, to buy a house on their behalf in an all-white area of
Louisville, Kentucky. The Bradens bought the house, and the uproar
that followed changed all their lives. The house was bombed. No one
was hurt, but the perpetrators were never caught. Instead, the state
charged Anne and Carl with sedition--Carl was sentenced to 15 years in
prison and served eight months. Anne wrote a book about this incident,
The Wall Between, in 1958 that was reissued by the University of
Tennessee last year with a must-read 40-page epilogue. The bombing
catapulted Anne into the freedom movement, and since that time she has
been at the heart of anything that has to do with race and justice in
the South.</font><br>
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size="-1"> Anne and Carl formed a lifetime
partnership of social activism and were so committed to
self-determination and leadership for people of color that for years
they were regarded as pariahs by white liberals and castigated as
Communists. In the late '40s and early '50s, they worked with civil
rights and labor groups in Louisville. In the 1960s, they staffed the
extraordinary Southern Conference Educational Fund (SCEF), and were
central to the civil rights movement. After SCEF broke up in the early
1970s, Anne helped found the Southern Organizing Committee for
Economic and Social Justice (SOC) and continued working with them into
her 70s. Anne set the benchmark for white, anti-racist organizing in
the South for more than 50 years.</font><br>
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size="-1"> The following is a conversation recorded
with Anne in 2001.<br>
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<b>Q: You have an incredible ability to look at people who opposed you
and Carl, to understand where they are coming from and not be
judgmental. How were you able to do that?</b><br>
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I never did hate those people who opposed us in the `50s because I
knew that I could have been in their position. I was just lucky that I
was able to break out of being white in a racist society and
privileged in a classist society. The "open sesame" for my
generation was race. Once we could understand what racism had done,
then everything fell like a house of cards. It opened everything to
question: economic injustice, foreign policy. If you don't understand
white supremacy, then you do not understand the country. The first
thing I had to realize was that the people I loved, my family, my
friends, the people running Alabama were wrong. But once you realized
that, it was not hard to realize that the people running the national
government were wrong too.<br>
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<b>Q: What did your generation learn from the civil rights movement of
the `50s and `60s?</b><br>
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The '60s were so important because the country had to confront the
issue of racism which it was built on. When African Americans began to
organize, they were the foundation. The foundation moved and the whole
building shook. That is why people were able to organize against the
war. That's why women were able to organize. All that happened because
of the black movement.<br>
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I think our country was moving tentatively in the `60s toward turning
its assumptions, policies, and values upside down. Southern whites of
my generation who got involved in the civil rights movement turned our
lives around. What we did is what this whole country needs to do: turn
itself inside-out and upside-down and build a society that is not
based on racism. You have to come to terms with this: that the society
you live in is totally wrong and that it is destroying you as well as
people of color. I have not overcome racism in myself. I have worked
at it for 50 years but I still see life through white
eyes.</font></blockquote>
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<b>Q: How do we get other low-income and working-class white people to
start working to overcome white supremacy?</b><br>
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If you want to get white people involved in the anti-racist movement,
the starting point is not to ask them to give up their privileges.
That is not a good organizing approach. White people who are
struggling economically or living in terrible poverty have a hard time
seeing that they have white privilege.<br>
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A lot of white working-class people have been turned off to our
movements because they have been put down. There is an assumption
among white intellectuals who think they are liberals or anti-racists
that all working-class and poor whites are flaming racists. They may
have been some of the people who joined the Klan, but I have met just
as many flaming racists in the country-club set.<br>
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<b>Q: Why do you say that white people have to come to their
understanding of racism, not just through an intellectual experience,
but through something emotional?</b><br>
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Because racism goes so deep. The kind of emotional experience that can
make a difference varies with different people. Some get there through
personal relationships. I didn't meet just one person, I met a
movement. A community has to go through a process of turning itself
inside-out. I think of Birmingham--it's not perfect, but it's better
than a lot of places in the South today. It went through the turmoil.
White people in Birmingham in the `60s had to look at what the heck
was going on. You had four little girls killed when the church was
bombed; you had dogs and fire hoses turned on black protesters.<br>
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<b>Q: Do you think we can build multi-racial social justice and
organizing groups in the South?</b><br>
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The South is not black and white any more. We have growing Latino and
Asian populations. And the Native Americans were always here, but we
didn't know it until that movement surfaced visibly in the `60s. To
build multi-racial organizations in a racist society is virtually
impossible. Impossible means it just takes a little longer. I tell
people not to get discouraged if they try and fail, to try again.<br>
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I am part of two organizations that are really interracial,
multi-ethnic, and definitely led by people of color. They are the
Southern Organizing Committee for Economic and Social Justice (SOC)
and the Kentucky Alliance Against Racism and Repression. We need more
whites who are willing to take action and to serve in organizations
with people of color in the leadership. Those of us who are white have
to be careful that we aren't trying to dominate. We are so used to
running things.<br>
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In the late `40s when it was so repressive, the Southern Conference
for Human Welfare (SCHW), which was started in 1938 as an economic
justice group, reorganized into SCEF around a single issue: race.
There were other issues but Jim Crow segregation had to be dealt with
first. SCEF was bi-racial from the beginning. Its outreach was to
white Southerners. We wanted to get them involved in action on picket
lines and going to jail, not just sitting around in human relations
meetings.<br>
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When the movement won the lunch counter battle and voting rights, SCEF
began to shift back to more economic justice issues, as the black
movement did. But then SCEF broke up in 1973. I came to the conclusion
that the basic weakness in SCEF was that it became overwhelmingly
white. We got this great influx of whites, after SNCC (the Student
Non-Violent Coordinating Committee) told whites to go organize whites.
SCEF became a battleground for white people to fight out their
quarrels. The real purpose got lost.<br>
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I made up my mind then that I would never spend another minute of my
life building something that was all or mostly white because it is not
going to change anything. It is a waste of time.<br>
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We deliberately organized SOC as an interracial group. It has evolved
into an organization that is clearly led by people of color.<br>
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<b>Q: Do you think it is important to keep bringing in new
people?</b><br>
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That is the biggest weakness of our great progressive movement. We are
reluctant to reach the people who are not involved. It's worst among
whites who consider themselves anti-racist. They don't want to talk to
white people who are not involved. Most whites who come into anything
interracial go through the stage of working mainly in black
communities because it is more comfortable and exciting. That is what
I did years ago.</font></blockquote>
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In 1951, I wrote to William Patterson, head of the Civil Rights
Congress, about what I was doing, including going to some of the black
churches. He wrote me and said, "You don't need to be going to
the black churches, Anne. They don't need you to tell them that they
are oppressed. You need to be talking to the white churches."
That changed my life right then.<br>
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That was when I really decided that my mission was to get out and talk
to white people. That is why I was startled when all these white folks
in SNCC got upset when they were told to go organize white people.
Didn't they know that was what they ought to be doing?<br>
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My father, a working-class white man, said to me in the late `60s,
"There's a revolution coming in this country and I don't have
anything to lose from it." Then 10 years later, his attitude was
altogether different. He'd gotten this sense that blacks had asked for
too much, that they had gone too far. What do you think happened to
change his mind?<br>
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He did not come to that conclusion by himself. That was the propaganda
that was being put out. The people in control knew what to do to keep
control. This was what was being said in academic circles, in
government, in the media, everywhere else. He heard that. He didn't
think that up himself.<br>
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There was a campaign for the minds of white people and a campaign of
repression against blacks. People don't understand the repression that
happened in the late `60s. That movement did not just go away. It was
destroyed by repression. They chopped off the black organizers.<br>
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It was irrevocably damaging to the country that the movement was
blunted at that point. It really was merging the issues. It was taking
on economic justice. The unfinished business of the civil rights
movement was economic justice.<br>
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<b>Q: What is our hope for the future?</b><br>
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I think that there will be a new mass movement. I have been part of
three mass movements in my life, times of great drama when things
really explode: the upsurge of the `50s and `60s, the anti-Vietnam War
movement, and the Jesse Jackson campaigns of the `80s. They were
movements that really changed things.<br>
<br>
At the first meeting of the Jackson delegates in 1984, there were 400
people. People started talking about what was happening in their
communities. There were white coal miners from Appalachia, Latinos
from New Mexico, people from all over the country. To me, one of the
political tragedies of the 20th century is that the grassroots base of
the Jackson movement collapsed after 1988. If it had kept going, we'd
have a viable third force and an alternative to the two main
parties.<br>
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Mass movements usually start from a specific struggle. The main thing
you do, when you don't see the mass movement you have been hoping for,
is work to build struggles around specific issues. We've spent lots of
time in Louisville around the police brutality issue. We do the
battles at our doorsteps, bringing new people in around specific
issues. They are the building blocks. I don't know when this will
explode into a movement. Nobody thought that Montgomery, cradle of the
Confederacy, would be the place where the movement would break out in
the 1950s.<br>
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For whites, none of this will change unless we deal with white
supremacy. It's fine to sit and talk and get your heart in the right
place, but it ain't going to have one bit of impact. Whites need to be
visible and engaged. We have to break that solid white wall of
resistance.<br>
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To find out more about plans for Anne's funeral and a memorial
service, or to send a contribution in Anne's name, contact the
Kentucky Alliance at 3208 W. Broadway, Louisville, Ky. 40211,
502-778-8130,</font> <a href="mailto:kyall@bellsouth.net"><font
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